NAA P-51D: Canopy

NAA P-51D Mustang: Canopy

With the return to the P-51D project, I have been working on developing the fuselage and the canopy ordinates specific to the P-51D. Supporting information in this regard is hard to come by and we don’t have the luxury of tabulated ordinate values and fully detailed mold lines as we had with the P-51 B/C.

What we do have though is critical dimensions scattered amongst the 100s of drawings and documents that collectively help establish key datum points which in conjunction with conic geometric development appear to make this aspiration a feasible prospect. To give you some idea of progress this is a front view of the preliminary P-51D canopy model.

P-51D Canopy Front

I still have the windshield model to develop in order to finalise the canopy design but I am pleased with achieving this amount of progress derived from many hours of research and some straightforward geometric developments. Notice in particular the accurate tangency alignment with the known frame mold lines, it is perfectly aligned. I appreciate that there are a few variations on the profile of the canopies that were made for the P-51; some more bulbous than others, but we first need to establish a baseline which is what we will have.

As a consequence of this activity, I have also managed to develop the rear fuselage profile ordinates for the P-51D. I am rather excited by this new development in conjunction with the completed wing ordinates and the more recent vertical stabiliser it may actually be possible to have a full ordinate set uniquely for the P-51D.

Update: Below is the finished baseline canopy model profile.

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…and this is what it looks like to develop the canopy and windshield with limited known data…

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Update: August 2018 “P-51D Bubble Canopy”

The real thing…this is a model derived from a ridiculously accurate laser scan point cloud of a P-51D Bubble Canopy.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Using Ordinate Data

NAA P-51 Mustang: Using Ordinate Data Spreadsheets

A question arose during a telecon today about using the Ordinate Spreadsheets for Cad and Modelling.

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Typically for the fuselage and cowlings, the spreadsheets are set out as above. The top section replicates the layout of the original manufacturer’s drawings specifically to allow traceability for verification purposes. The section below, bordered in blue is the concatenated values from the top table in a format such that the values represent the actual X,Y,Z coordinates for each point.

2017-05-23_21-47-42For use in Cad systems like Autocad, it is recommended to collate these in a TXT file by simply copying and pasting.

Once collated open Autocad, select the Multiple Point feature and cut and paste the entire contents of the TXT file onto the command line which in turn will import the values as points.

For other CAD systems like Inventor the preferred format is an excel spreadsheet with 3 column headers X, Y and Z.

All we have to do is to open this same TXT file from Excel as a comma delimited file, check the options presented in the opening dialogue to ensure correct formatting and save the file as an XLS. Remember to label the first row as X,Y and Z.

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When you start a sketch in Inventor there is a feature on the toolbar to import Excel data. When you import the data there are a few self-explanatory options.

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There are of course many ways of doing this and it will vary according to what CAD system you use. Importing all X, Y, Z points in a 3D sketch, for example, will align the ordinates with the current UCS, which in some cases may not be desirable. The Z value is the Frame or Station location relative to the aircraft datum, which essentially translates to being the work plane location. The X, Y values are typically the sketch coordinates normal to the work plane.

If you are working on a 2d sketch and importing the set of points as X, Y, Z values; Inventor will only import the respective X,Y values and ignore the Z value, in fact, it will notify you that it is doing this.

Update: July 2018

The ordinate spreadsheets now have an additional page that compiles the ordinates for each frame with the X,Y,Z components listed separately. This makes it easier to manage the ordinates depending on what CAD system you are importing to.

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If you require any further information then please drop me a line.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Wing Ordinate Rev

NAA P-51D & B/C Mustang: Wing Ordinate Major Update:

Thanks to Roland Hallam, I am now in receipt of new verifiable information that has prompted a return to the P51 project and a major update to the wing ordinate data sheets.

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Many of the blanks have now been filled in and new additional information added. The above image is a snapshot of the work in progress. The groups highlighted in blue are checked verified dimensions, the red values are those that have changed and those areas remaining in white have prompted an interesting conclusion. Up until now, it was presumed that the wing profiles for the P51D and P51C were the same with the exception of the wing root, however, closer inspection would now suggest that a few rib locations are also slightly different which requires further investigation.

I am still working through the new information and dissecting what is relevant to the P-51D and the P-51B/C variants. This will probably take me a while to evaluate but I am confident that this will result in the most comprehensive dataset yet compiled for the P-51 wings.

I had not expected to return to the P51 project at this time but I’m sure you will agree this is an exciting development.

Mustang P-51 B/C Ordinates

Mustang P-51 B/C and P-51 D Ordinates:

P-51BC Layout

I have had a number of requests for the ordinate spreadsheets I developed for the Mustang P-51 B/C and D fuselage, cowl, cooler and air intakes, so I have decided to make them available to all; which could save you considerable time and effort.

The ordinates are listed on 10 separate Excel workbooks with 18 spreadsheets for all known ordinates from manufacturers data. The ordinate listings are in both mm and inches with the X,Y,Z coordinates extrapolated from this data-set for ease of transferring to a suitable CAD system. The total points listed are literally thousands.

P-51 D Layout102-00005: Fuselage (BC main)
102-00006: Fuselage (forward to cowl)
102-00007: Removable Scoop (fuselage, Int and Ext)
102-00008: Coolant Radiator Duct (Aft Section)
102-00008: Coolant Radiator Duct (Fwd Section)
102-00008: Oil Radiator Duct (Aft)
102-00009: Carb Air Scoop (Cowl)
106-00006: Wing (P-51D)
73-00006: Wing (P-51BC)
 
+ Autocad DWG Fuselage Frame & Wing Profiles P-51 B/C and P-51D (ref only)
NAA Master Dimensions Report (wings, fuselage, landing gear).
Include scans of original source documents for reference.
 
The spreadsheets are not locked or protected so you can manipulate the core data to suit your own applications.
The P-51D fuselage profiles are reference only due to being mathematically generated based on original NAA methods and thus are not verified.

This represents a huge number of hours worked, meticulously listing each ordinate individually and then creating cad drawings to check the ordinates and derive the ordinates that are unclear on the manufacturers’ drawings.

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The ordinates for the P-51D wings comprises 2 sheets; the first listing the tabulated data as per the original manufacturer drawing and the second extrapolated to compile the X,Y,Z coordinates for input into CAD.

P-51D WING ORDINATE

P-51 Wing Profiles

Update 20 Aug 2019:

The spreadsheets now include the OLEO undercarriage and general tidy up of datasheets for consistency. Now probably the most comprehensive and complete dimensional study of the P-51 B/C and D. 2018-09-20_22-45-40

Horizontal Stabiliser and Fillet Ordinates layout:

Mustang P-51 BC

Sample data for P–51B/C and P-51D;

For further details see this more descriptive post or send me an email to HughTechnotes@gmail.com 

NAA P-51D Mustang: Carb Air Scoop

NAA P-51D Mustang: Carb Air Scoop

In an earlier post I discussed in some detail the progression of model development for the Carburetor Air Scoop (Lower Cowling) inlet and I mentioned that the final Air Scoop would be uploaded upon completion. Earlier Post : Air Scoop Prelim work:

It has actually been completed for awhile; I just forgot to upload it!

So here it is and if anyone has attempted to model a complex surface of this type you will understand how difficult this can be. Needless to say the Freeform T-Splines were invaluable in obtaining the correct surface.

The surface model is attached to over 300 ordinate points with numerous contour and fairing curves generated in preparation for the final surface modelling.

The data was first prepared in a spreadsheet; listing all ordinate points in mm and inch dimensions from which I extrapolated the 3D coordinates for each point; essentially creating a point cloud.

The ordinates were imported into Autocad, analysed and then the points grouped accordingly to define the contours and fairing lines.

This was then imported into Inventor and the surface painstakingly built up in each separate square grid attaching all the ordinate points. There was no easy way of doing this; I know I tried!

I am delighted to have finally completed this particular model having consumed many hours trying various methods to get it just right.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Fuselage Lines; Polynomials

NAA P-51D Mustang: Fuselage Lines; Polynomials.

This evening I spent some time looking back through some old notes I had on fuselage design, particularly Conic sections and Setting-out design theory.

Checking through the archives for the Mustang P-51 we have a design set for the wind tunnel model with a line plan showing the Shoulder Points (SP) and the “point of convergence” where the upper line of the Mustang fuselage converges with the lower fuselage line and the Fuselage reference line.

2015-07-31_03-40-50The Wind Tunnel drawings are a quarter scale but are quite accurate.

Here we can see the “point of convergence” actually defined on the the wind tunnel drawing at the scaled sta 92. Technically station 92 does not exist as it is outwith the fabric of the WT aircraft, but for convenience I have defined it!

So with this in mind I decided to undertake an experiment to calculate the “point of convergence” with the fuselage ref line according to the manufactured ordinates.

2015-07-31_12-43-55For this exercise I used the upper line of the fuselage, shown here as X,Y values starting from Station 113 and created a line chart.

I applied an third order polynomial equation to the line chart with a scientific value to 5 decimal places to increase the accuracy.

I recalculated the values of the Y ordinate to check that the formula produced an accurate result; shown in red. As you can see the resulting values are very close to the original Y values.

The last X value is the projected value I want to calculate to achieve a “close to zero” Y coordinate thus by definition being the calculated “point of convergence”. This value is 9518mm (374.725 inches) which compares quite well with the Wind Tunnel drawings showing this to be 92*4=368 inches.

Should I recreate this exercise but instead use a fifth or sixth order polynomial equation I am quite sure the resulting value for the point of convergence would be closer yet to the scaled up wind tunnel value.

Normally for this type of exercise I would work with tangent lines and the start points of the upper and lower fuselage lines from predefined Shoulder Points.

This was a bit of fun just to demonstrate how we can use the power of spreadsheets and mathematical equations to assist with developing our Cad designs.

Bf 109Update: I decided to play about with this a bit more and had a look at the fuselage lines for the Bf109. I don’t have the design “point of convergence” for comparison but decided to do it anyway to find the convergence between the Lower and Upper fuselage lines.

These points are measured from a ground datum at 800mm below the fuselage reference line.

The stations/frames are from 2 – 8 inclusive. As you can see the calculated values verify the existing ordinate dimensions with the projected “point of convergence” calculated at 4832mm from station/frame 2.

These are the fuselage lines on the vertical plane which in theory should share the same convergence point for the fuselage lines on the horizontal plane (technically plan of max width)…an exercise for some other time!

What is even more interesting is that a line equation can be used to generate a spline in both the Inventor & Solidworks cad products… as a check to verify the cad work this is enormously useful!

2015-08-01_00-02-16Another example of application would be for the frames or station profiles.

In this example I have applied a polynomial equation to a set of ordinates for the top section of station 300 for the P-51 Mustang.

This needs a full profile as an arc to achieve an accurate result, which I’ve applied as a sixth order polynomial…you cant get much more accurate than this with Excel!

Ideally we would wish to extend this arc to the max width ordinate, which would add another negative ordinate (below the base line) to the graph…for some unknown reason Excel finds it difficult to compute an acceptable polynomial with 2 sets of negative values, so I would have to transpose the ordinates accordingly.

The Mustang ordinates induce a minuscule negative curvature on the top rear fuselage frames when you create a CAD profile just using the ordinate values from the NAA drawings. Its not detrimental in anyway but it is rather annoying…so to obviate these issues I could utilize a polynomial solution to adjust the ordinates to get a positive curvature. The adjustment is micro millimeters, but hey that’s the way that CAD works.


Mustang P-51CAnother Update:
Out of curiosity I recalculated; to a higher degree of accuracy; the upper fuselage line for the P-51 and contrasted that with a similar calculation for the lower line of the fuselage.

The calculated point of convergence of both lines based on a 4th order polynomial to 5 decimal places is at 9375mm and slightly above the fuselage reference line at +18mm. Factoring in error based on the original ordinates being accurate to 1/16th inch and possible error as a consequence of a higher order polynomial I think this is a reasonable result. Its interesting to note the variation with the results we got before.

This is certainly closer to the expected values based on the wind tunnel data. The squiggly line by the way on the lower part of the fuselage is the plotted max half breadths; which is rather interesting!

Confirmation; have received confirmation that the intended point of convergence for the upper and lower fuselage lines is at Sta 368, which is at 9347.2mm…this is great!!

All CAD profiles included in the P-51 Mustang Ordinate Package now available. Refer promotion here.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Project Cad Technote; Smart Parts Vb

NAA P-51D Mustang: Project Cad Technote; Smart Parts Vb

I was looking at options for routing the cables in the tailwheel assembly. There is potential for a lot of ancillary routing for pipes and cables yet to be done in this assembly so I have deliberately shied away from the adaptive parts (which I am not keen on) and the typical pipe and cable routing functions.

Also the cables are comprised of end terminals and many are sleeved for part of their length, which would mean having to route several times if I was to do this using the routing functions.

What I really wanted to do is have a sub assembly that contains the cable with all its bits in one sub assembly file but using the coordinates from the assembly to ensure correctness.

Extracting point coordinates from an Inventor assembly is not that straightforward requiring as in this case a vb solution, but first I had to define the key points.

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I use the term “smart parts” and what this entails is for the parts or sub assemblies to contain additional geometry that will assist with other modelling activities like cable routing.

The image on the left shows the cables in this area with 2 key points 1&2 highlighted that are replicated in the 2 archive images. They define the straight section of the cable sleeve that is below and above the cable clips; the locations of which I have incorporated as points in the component sub assembly (last image). This sub assembly does not sit vertically in the assembly, the final position and orientation being determined by other factors which influences the final routing of the cable sleeve.

I have done something similar with the connection at the other end towards the left of the first image. At this stage I now have 4 points that determine the extent of the cable sleeve.

2015-07-23_03-13-17The next step was to go to the main assembly and extract the X,Y,Z coordinates of the four points from the fitted components.

I first select these and run a visual basic routine to extract the coordinates of each point and create a csv file which I import into excel which in turn is imported into a separate Cad part file.

It was then simply a case of running a spline through all four points and sweeping the sleeve profile.

The great thing about this is that the coordinates are relative to the origin of the main assembly so when I import the cable sleeve into the assembly I only have to constrain to the origin planes and it fits perfectly.

2015-07-23_03-23-16The cable itself will be done later in a similar manner which would be added to the sleeve part file as a multi part item or sub assembly using the sleeve centre line as part of the routing.

So no adaptivity, no complex pipe or cable routing just simple association through coordinate translations. The parameters of the sub assembly can be linked back to a spreadsheet so if the route changes I just re-extract the point coordinates and update the spreadsheet, which in turn will update the model.

To me this is a very tidy solution and maintains the integrity of the modelling hierarchy in accordance with the NAA register.

Using additional content in part files to facilitate other activities is very useful for examples like this and in fact any part that is associated with piping or cabling systems, particularly where you have cable clips or supports that need to be considered.

I should note that the extent of the cable sleeve is not exactly as shown in the first image due to the termination part not yet being modeled so I used something that was close at hand to demonstrate this principal.

If you would like a copy of the VB routine then please drop me an email and I will send it onto you.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Project Cad Technote; iParts

NAA P-51D Mustang: Project Cad Technote; iParts

When it comes to organising standard parts using a Cad system like Inventor there are various ways to achieve this. Initially I considered a custom content library or even an iLogic expression linked to a parameter spreadsheet but I settled on using iParts.

The main reason for this is due to the fact that I already have a plethora of data contained in many spreadsheets for everything from ordinates to document registers and at any one time one or more of these spreadsheets is usually open for reference. Therefore the iparts seemed to be the ideal choice by maintaining all the relevant data in a single Cad part file.

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A simple example of this would be for the AN960 standard washers. I could have done something really clever here as the actual part number contains references to the physical sizes and properties of the washers and I had thought it would be great to link the naming convention to the parameters.

However there is no real benefit to be gained from this and would have added a level of complexity that’s quite frankly unnecessary for this type of component.

We have 3 dimensions that define the washer; the Outside Diameter (OD), Inside Diameter (ID) and the Thickness (Thk). We also have a material type but the Cad library will need to be updated to include the specifics of the materials for a P-51 mustang, which is another custom job; so I have ignored it for now!

The above sketch shows the expressions of the parameters defining the relationship of the values as declared in the parameters dialogue; this is where it gets interesting.

2015-07-15_22-55-47I should note that the template and default units for this model is millimeters. The standard units for the washers is inches.

This image on the left is the parameters dialogue box to which I first added some user parameters (1) set to “inch” units. I then created the cad model dimensional parameters (2) and linked those to the user parameters (1) with the units set to “mm” (3). The wonderful thing about this is that Inventor will adjust the values based on the unit type automatically; so just by changing the unit type the value will change accordingly, which is verified in the nominal value column (4)…great stuff!
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This is the iPart creation dialogue, showing the table of values, input from the standard catalogs in “inches”.

Its very important that the original values are retained as “inch” units so that it is easier to check and verify the correctness of the information and traceability.

Tip: If I already had these values set-out in exactly the same format in excel I could just copy and paste the spreadsheet directly into the iPart table.

At some stage I will add the material values to the end of this table for each of the components listed. Some examples of iparts include the Locking Stud and Clevis Fork; colour coded to differentiate size..

Locking Stud Clevis Fork

The notion of working with different units is made so much easier by the capabilities of these cad systems. Essentially when inputting the dimensions in a model sketch the value of the dimensions will change if you select either inches or millimeters according to the default template units setup for the cad model; it will even work with fractions.

For example if you type in “3/4 in” for a dimension in a sketch based on the “mm” unit template then the actual value for the dimension will be “19.05 mm”.

Another example; 12 23/64″; for this you type in 12 leave a space then 23/64 followed by “in”…”12 23/64 in” gives us “313.928 mm”.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Tail Wheel Assembly: Update.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Tail Wheel Assembly: Update.

I shall need to temporarily suspend further work on the assembly model as the remaining parts to achieve a full build are created in a later version of the Inventor cad program and therefore not compatible with the version I currently have access to.

So this is as far as I can go with the assembly, though one could argue that it may be worthwhile including the necessary bolts, washers, turnbuckles etc, but to be honest most of this is planned as the final components in the build. The main reason for this is to ensure that everything aligns properly and works according to the design intent before plugging in all those connecting bits!

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I have some tidying up to do with the fuselage frames and to develop that library I was talking about for the aeronautical standard parts and components…so perhaps this may be the time to get this done.

I also plan to do some 2d detail drawings for some of this modelling to record some of the key information that I have had to research separately from the archive resource and create the Bill of Materials structure that complies with the existing NAA documents for the complete assembly.

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The 2d drawings will also serve as a dimensional check as these objects were built in mm whereas originally they were designed in inches.

Its very hard to identify small dimensional discrepancies when just reviewing the 3d model!

So for now I probably wont be posting too much on the modelling side of things but may include some new cad technotes on the techniques I have used in this project.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Tail Wheel Retracting Hydraulic Cylinder

NAA P-51D Mustang: Tail Wheel Retracting Hydraulic Cylinder.

Hydraulics is not something I have had very much exposure to in my varied engineering career, so it was rather interesting to build this Tail wheel retracting cylinder and learn some new stuff about the hydraulic designs of this era.

All the component parts are fully detailed in the NAA drawing archive enabling a complete cylinder to be built with the pipe fittings added from the Inventor Content library.

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The Autodesk Inventor product has a very comprehensive standard parts library which includes a wide variety of pipe fittings and components. The elbows and reducers are from the Parker range which are sized correctly but slightly different in style to the aeronautical standard parts which would normally be used.

I did modify the hex head for the reducer to size correctly with the corresponding AN912 aeronautical part to ensure correct fitting with the cylinder interface.

When I have time available I intend to create a special library for all these standard components that will correspond exactly to the specified aeronautical standards.

The blue support brackets on either side of the cylinder should actually be fitted to a sheet metal formed channel, which I don’t have the details for. There is a drawing for the P-51B/C models which will be similar to what I need but the lower station frames in this area are slightly different. I can’t be sure exactly how the channel should be fitted so I emailed a few companies that have been involved in the restoration of P-51D Mustangs to see if they can assist with either photographs of this area or even better some drawings!

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