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NAA P-51D: Master Lines Plan

July 1, 2017April 18, 2018Hugh1 Comment

NAA P-51D Mustang: Master Lines Plan

The P-51D project is progressing well with further developments on the fuselage frame profiles. I now have a comprehensive Master Lines Plan incorporating additional information obtained from mathematical analysis, drawings, reference documentation and geometric developments. I have updated and remodeled the underside Oil Cooler Air intakes, canopy, windshield, rear fuselage and fuselage tail-end. As part of the remodel the groups of ordinates for each frame for the Oil Radiator Duct, Coolant radiator Duct and Removable Scoop are now contained on their own respective work-planes. This will make it much easier to micro manage the final mold lines.

Fuselage Master Lines Plan (P-51D overlaid on P-51 B/C):

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Test Lofts and developments:

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Front Views (note the Canopy Profile update from the previous article):

A month ago I was not sure how much could be achieved given the limited amount of information at hand but with due diligence and detailed research, it is quite amazing what can be accomplished.

With this template, it is now technically possible to accurately develop a CAD model for the entire fuselage structure and mechanical components for the P-51D, which would be great; but I often wonder what the value of such an undertaking would achieve, other than being a darn interesting thing to do and a test of CAD modeling skills.

Having achieved this significant milestone the time is right to conclude the work on the Mustang P-51D and P-51 B/C projects. I may continue with the P-39 project but as always I am keen to explore the options for the more obscure extinct aircraft as described in Operation Ark.

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If you are planning on developing your own Master Lines plan a good place to start would be with the 1000’s of ordinates points cataloged and recorded on the spreadsheets here: Mustang P-51B/C Ordinates which also includes the wing ordinates for the P-51D and vertical stabilizer.

NAA P-51D Mustang: Wing Ordinate Rev

May 21, 2017May 22, 2017HughLeave a comment

NAA P-51D & B/C Mustang: Wing Ordinate Major Update:

Thanks to Roland Hallam, I am now in receipt of new verifiable information that has prompted a return to the P51 project and a major update to the wing ordinate data sheets.

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Many of the blanks have now been filled in and new additional information added. The above image is a snapshot of the work in progress. The groups highlighted in blue are checked verified dimensions, the red values are those that have changed and those areas remaining in white have prompted an interesting conclusion. Up until now, it was presumed that the wing profiles for the P51D and P51C were the same with the exception of the wing root, however, closer inspection would now suggest that a few rib locations are also slightly different which requires further investigation.

I am still working through the new information and dissecting what is relevant to the P-51D and the P-51B/C variants. This will probably take me a while to evaluate but I am confident that this will result in the most comprehensive dataset yet compiled for the P-51 wings.

I had not expected to return to the P51 project at this time but I’m sure you will agree this is an exciting development.

Sopwith Pup:Wing Brackets

September 29, 2016October 28, 2018HughLeave a comment

SopwithPup: Wing Brackets

This was not meant to have been a study in its own right, but out of curiosity I couldn’t help but wonder if there was enough information to actually build an accurate 3D model.

I was also curious why I had received a number of help request emails from my friend about this particular aircraft…so I decided to have a closer look. His latest query was regarding brackets similar to the one I mentioned in my previous post but specifically the centre section connecting brackets to the wings.

The left bracket belongs to the centre section and the right bracket is the connecting bracket for the wing that slots into the centre section bracket.

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The bracket dimensions are such that the centre bracket sits proud off the centre spar whilst the wing bracket is embedded in the wing spar, so technically they should just fit into one another without too much problem!! That’s the theory but the reality is it doesn’t quite align with expectations.

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This image shows the actual clear dimensions within the top and bottom rib flanges which replicate the perimeter dimensions of the wooden centre spar. In order for the centre section bracket to connect to the spar we would have to notch the top and bottom rib flanges to get it to fit. The horizontal dimension can vary (highlighted) but we will be restricted by the vertical dimension. I can’t imagine why anyone would want to notch the top and bottom flanges as this diminishes its strength. Plus there’s another issue with this…

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This preliminary model shows the problem where the centre spar is actually set back one inch to facilitate the incoming connecting bracket from the main wing. Ideally, we need to fully assemble the centre section and have it fitted to the aircraft and aligned prior to fitting the wings, but how can this be done if we can’t screw the rib flanges to the spar? I think in this instance I would shape the wooden spars in such a manner as to facilitate fitting of the flanges and mating with the wing spars.

I have done some research on this and it appears to be a known issue with some clever blokes just redesigning the connectors to make it work better or tapering the wing spar to good effect as shown below.

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It looks as though the wing spar is tapered with a smaller bracket sized to fit within the centre bracket. That would work and likely an improvement implemented in the workshop. A very rough preliminary study could look something like this…

…it does need a lot more work but I don’t have a lot of time to develop it further right now!

The design in many respects seems a little rough and ready, but we have to remember in those days they were under a huge amount of pressure to get these aircraft built and get them into the field. The life expectancy of these aircraft was only six weeks so replacements had to be shipped out in rather a quick time.

No disrespect either to Tom Sopwith and his engineers, these things actually flew rather well regardless of the vagaries of the design and what may seem to be annoyances to us may well be things they would naturally deal with in the workshop without any hassle.

It is very tempting to continue developing the Sopwith Pup but to do so efficiently would require setting out the basic geometry for the entire aircraft, identifying the anomalies and determining suitable resolutions as close as possible to the original design intent. I’m not sure I have the time nor the inclination to do so.

This has been a welcome distraction from the P-39 Airacobra project and will likely feature in a few more posts as I will surely continue to receive help requests from my good friend.

Mustang P-51 B/C Ordinates

June 4, 2016March 4, 2023Hugh7 Comments

Mustang P-51 B/C and P-51 D Ordinates:

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I have had a number of requests for the ordinate spreadsheets I developed for the Mustang P-51 B/C and D fuselage, cowl, cooler and air intakes, so I have decided to make them available to all; which could save you considerable time and effort.

The ordinates are listed on 10 separate Excel workbooks with 18 spreadsheets for all known ordinates from manufacturers data. The ordinate listings are in both mm and inches with the X,Y,Z coordinates extrapolated from this data-set for ease of transferring to a suitable CAD system. The total points listed are literally thousands.

102-00005: Fuselage (BC main)

102-00006: Fuselage (forward to cowl)

102-00007: Removable Scoop (fuselage, Int and Ext)

102-00008: Coolant Radiator Duct (Aft Section)

102-00008: Coolant Radiator Duct (Fwd Section)

102-00008: Oil Radiator Duct (Aft)

102-00009: Carb Air Scoop (Cowl)

106-00006: Wing (P-51D)

73-00006: Wing (P-51BC)

+ Autocad DWG Fuselage Frame & Wing Profiles P-51 B/C and P-51D (ref only)

NAA Master Dimensions Report (wings, fuselage, landing gear).

Include scans of original source documents for reference.

The spreadsheets are not locked or protected so you can manipulate the core data to suit your own applications.

The P-51D fuselage profiles are reference only due to being mathematically generated based on original NAA methods and thus are not verified.

This represents a huge number of hours worked, meticulously listing each ordinate individually and then creating cad drawings to check the ordinates and derive the ordinates that are unclear on the manufacturers’ drawings.

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The ordinates for the P-51D wings comprises 2 sheets; the first listing the tabulated data as per the original manufacturer drawing and the second extrapolated to compile the X,Y,Z coordinates for input into CAD.

P-51D WING ORDINATE

P-51 Wing Profiles

Update 20 Aug 2019:

The spreadsheets now include the OLEO undercarriage and general tidy up of datasheets for consistency. Now probably the most comprehensive and complete dimensional study of the P-51 B/C and D. 2018-09-20_22-45-40